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Why Money & Friendships Should Never Mix

What’s been your experience of bringing money into your relationships with friends?

I have been very fortunate with my friendships. I have lost some along the way and gained some too.

Thinking about the friends I have either lost or almost lost, I can trace the moments of unrest to money in some way.

I have previously never given this subject of money and friendships much thought in the past until recently.

About a year ago, I was involved in a commercial property purchase and I led the funding for it. It’s the most expensive thing I have ever bought and we needed to raise ALOT of cash. You know, the kind that could seal your financial independence.

I exhausted alot of my liquidity and thought it would be a good idea to approach my close friends with an investment opportunity.

This was a bad idea. A very bad one at that.

A couple of my wiser friends gently declined. One in particular agreed to lend me some money for a return.

This particular friend is someone I respect alot and admire. I have known him closely for over a decade and he has seen me grow. He was going to move alot around his life in order to free up the cashflow.

Anyway, the deal progressed and as we got closer to closing, the pressure built up. My communication with him moved up a notch and got ever more rigid.

He even requested that we draw up a contract and that I needed to send him some forecasts for the projected business revenue.

You see, different forces were now at play. We had moved onto a different dimension. Something I didn’t think much about at the time.

Two weeks before my hard deadline, he disappointed me and backed out after we had exchanged some pretty unsavoury words on Whatsapp.

I thought asking for a contract and forecasts was unreasonable but he disagreed.

I was devastated and could not lose this deal! Not only was it too good to miss, but I was fully committed to other people and our primary lender.

Back to the drawing board as I needed more creativity to get the funds. In the end, after some serious door knocking, we crossed the line and completed the deal.

On that very day, I picked the keys up and whilst I walked around the property and imagined the business that would be resident at that address, I did some soul-searching.

Why did I behave so disgracefully through this process with my friend? And what did money as an input have to do with it?

Although we have reconciled, moved on and grown stronger as friends, this question continued to bother me until I came across Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely.

What I have learned is that at all times in life, we live simultaneously in two worlds:

1. The Social World

In this world, social norms prevail. Such social norms include the friendly requests that you and I might make of our friends or family. E.g. Could you help me move this couch? Or could you help me clear out a garage?

Social norms are tied to our social nature and our need for community. They are warm and fuzzy and you expect no instant payback.

Just because you helped me to move my couch today does not mean that I have to come over to yours today to do the same.

The above activity provides pleasure for both people and the act of reciprocity is not required immediately.

2. The Market World

This world is governed my market norms and there is nothing warm and fuzzy about it.

The exchanges in this world are sharp-edged and focus on things like – Prices, returns, interest, costs vs benefits etc.

Relationships in this world are not necessarily mean or evil. However, they do result in such things as individualism, self-reliance and inventiveness.

You see, the market world is all about getting what you pay for. That’s just how it works in this world.

Now here’s the thing –

When we keep social and market norms on their separate paths, life cruises along just fine. However, when social and market norms collide, we have a problem!

Let’s explore some examples we can all relate to:

Take sex, for instance. You may have it for free in the social context, where it is, we’d hope – Warm and emotionally fulfilling.

But there is also another type of sex out there – Market sex – One that is on demand and costs money.

Could you imagine a situation where your loving partner comes home asking for a £100 trick?

You also cannot imagine prostitutes hoping for everlasting love.

Here is another example –

We’ve all been through the dating process. If you’re still at it, you should pay close attention!

A guy takes a girl out to the cinema, and afterwards he takes her to dinner. He settles the bill for both.

They go out again the week after, and he settles the bill again.

Then they go out a third time, he still foots the bill. However, on this third occasion, he is hoping for more – At least a kiss!

His wallet is taking a real hit, but what’s worse is possibly what is going on in his head – He’s having trouble reconciling a social norm (courting) and a market norm (money for sex).

Then things get deeper on the fourth date night when he casually mentions how much this dating adventure is costing him!

You see, at this very moment, he has crossed the line.She stares at him, calls him a miser and storms off!

What’s happening here?

He mixed a social norm with a market norm. Bringing money into the picture possibly implies that the lady is a tramp!

These dynamics can be seen when we do work that is paid vs unpaid. Imagine you’re asked to do some work for a cause but with two possible outcomes:

  1. You do the work entirely for free or
  2. You do the same work but for £5 an hour (assume this is a fraction of your typical hourly rate).

Research shows that people are less likely to take up option 2. And even if they do, they’re less likely to put in as much effort compared to where they are doing work for a cause for free (option 1).

Thinking about it, how can a zero reward be better than a £5 per hour reward? The answer is that when money is mentioned, people switch to market norms and compare £5 to what they’d typically expect for their time per hour.

However, when a zero fee is mentioned for a cause, people think in terms of social norms and are willing to volunteer their time.

Whenever market norms enter the picture, social norms depart otherwise, they collide.

Now, interesting things happen when we replace money with a gift. Would offering gifts help people remain within social norms?

Dan Ariely and his team performed experiments using chocolates as gifts – Some with price tags and some without.

The conclusion was that no one is offended by a small gift. It helped people remain within social norms, however, market norms get introduced when gifts are given with a price tag attached.

[yellowbar]In fact, for market norms to emerge, it’s sufficient from the mere mention of money (even when no money changes hands).[/yellowbar]

Market norms, as you’ll recall, relate to a broad range of behaviours, which include self-reliance, helping and individualism.

Indeed, just the thought of money makes us behave as most economists expect to – Selfish etc – and that includes being less like the social animals we are wired to be.

This partly explains why my monetary interaction with my friend was a disaster. Some selfishness crept into the picture and we both put our defences up!

What does this mean for our daily lives? Certainly for those of us still dating, it means that when you go out to a restaurant with your date, don’t mention prices for goodness sake!

If you do, you’ll likely shift your relationship from the social norm to the market norm.

Are there any long-term effects of a switch from a social to a market norm?

To test this, an experiment was conducted at a nursery (daycare) to see whether imposing fines on parents who arrived late to pick up their children was a useful deterrent.

The conclusion was that the fine didn’t work well but instead had long negative effects.

But why was this?

Before the fine was introduced, parents and teachers had a social contract and enjoyed social norms as far as being late was concerned.

Parents who were late were on occasion guilty about it and their guilt compelled them to be earlier next time to pick their kids.

However, when the fine was introduced, the nursery had unknowingly replaced the social norms with market ones.

Now that parents were paying for their inability to stick to time, they instead interpreted it in term of market norms.

In other words, given they were being fined, they now had a choice about whether to be late today or not; and they frequently chose to be late.

This ofcourse was not what the nursery intended.

Now, here is where it got deeper. A few weeks later, the nursery withdrew the fine.

With the nursery back to social norms, would parents’ guilt return for being late? Nope! Their behaviour did not change at all and they continued to be late.

In fact, with the fine being removed, they were late to pick their kids even more.

This reveals that when a social norm collides with a market norm, the social norm goes away for a long time i.e. Our social relationships are rarely easy to reestablish once the romance is off!

This has further implications for our personal lives. Once in a while, you’ll need someone to help you move something or even babysit your kids.

What’s the best way to motivate your friends or neighbours to help? Cash (and how much)? A gift? Or nothing at all?

This is tricky to figure out especially when you have a real risk of pushing your relationship into a market exchange.

Here are some thoughts –

Asking a friend to help move something is fine. However, asking your friend to help move alot of things along with some paid movers is not! s/he might feel like they’re being used.

Asking your neighbour to babysit on occasion is fine. However, asking s/he (who happens to be a lawyer) to spend the same amount of time to prepare a business contract for you for free is not!

In summary, keeping your friendships social should be thegoal. Outside of this, you risk permanent damage to relationships you've spent years nurturing.

Related:

The Importance Of Strong And Positive Friendships

The Power Of Generosity And Why It Pays

What’s been your experience of bringing money into your relationships with friends? Please comment below.

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FAQs

Why money ruins friendships? ›

Money can make friendships become complicated. Equations may change from intimate to awkward when one of you is the debtor and the other, the creditor. The feeling of owing and being owed money can become the proverbial elephant in the room. When that occurs, it can sour your equation.

Why is friendship better than money? ›

Friends can give us love, moral support and care, which truly money can never buy. It is said that “a friend in need is a friend indeed”. More friends if unite they can earn lot of money, but money cannot buy true friends.

What is the saying about friends and money? ›

Friendship is like money, easier made than kept.

When should we not give money to others? ›

No matter how close your own someone is on the day of Amavasya, you should not lend to him. It is believed that negative forces are active on the day of Amavasya, which can also affect your wealth. That's why on this day you should not give money to anyone even by mistake.

What is a toxic relationship with money? ›

It feels like your money is working against you. You're constantly worried about how much money you have and whether that money is going to disappear overnight. You feel embarrassed talking about your financial situation in public. Sometimes you're scared to even look at bank statement or open the bills.

Does money break up friendships? ›

Over 20% of Americans say they've ended a friendship over money disputes, according to a recent survey from fintech firm Bread Financial. It's not always over bachelorette trips or Venmo mishaps, though.

What does the Bible say about money and friendship? ›

ESV Wealth brings many new friends, but a poor man is deserted by his friend. NIV Wealth attracts many friends, but even the closest friend of the poor person deserts them. NASB Wealth adds many friends, But a poor person is separated from his friend.

What did Mark Twain say about money? ›

Money is God. God and Greenbacks and Stock--father, son, and the ghost of same--three persons in one; these are the true and only God, mighty and supreme...

What does the Bible say about people and money? ›

The Bible talks about three main responsibilities you have with your money. They are God, family, and government. (God) Proverbs 3:9-10 – “Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.”

When should you stop helping a friend financially? ›

If assisting someone else is overtaxing your time, energy, or resources—stop! Even if you agreed to do something, if the cost becomes too great, whether that's financial or emotional, you can back out or adjust how much you can help. If you are harming yourself, that is not helping.

What is the golden rule of money? ›

It's a simple rule, but it's still the most potent piece of money wisdom: don't spend more than you earn. Living within your means is a sure-fire way to stay out of debt, avoid creeping interest costs and create financial stability.

Why shouldn't you ask friends for money? ›

By asking a family member or friend for money, you are explicitly telling them that you do not have the willingness or resourcefulness to find ways to make more money or find alternative means to borrow money.

Why money can ruin relationships? ›

Carrying Old Debts. Many people come into a marriage with student debt, credit card debt, a gambling habit, or something else. Sparks can fly between partners while discussing income, spending, and debt servicing. Most debts brought into a marriage stay with the person who incurred them and are not extended to a spouse ...

Is the wealth gap ruining friendships? ›

With sensitivity and awareness from both parties, wealth gap friendships can work, but sometimes people's outlooks change as they get wealthier. Some start to see money as a source of power and status, and it can feel like they are judging you.

Is money a reason to break up with someone? ›

A relationship where you constantly fight over money is not good for anyone. While it is possible, particularly with the help of a therapist and/or financial coach, to work through money issues, many couples end up separating because the stress is too much. When it comes to money, communication and honesty are key.

How to not let money ruin a friendship? ›

To Keep Money From Destroying Your Friendships, Remember These Do's
  1. Be honest if you're having financial challenges. ...
  2. Be honest about your financial goals. ...
  3. Recognize that you may have different values when it comes to money. ...
  4. Get separate checks when going out.

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