Get rich by Investing in LIC and ETF index funds? | Captain FI (2024)

We have all heard it before – past performance is no indicator of future performance. All things considered, no one can really predict the market. All we really control is the price and fees we pay. So does that mean Low fee index style investing the best way to go?

Stock market Index funds like some ETFs (or even old school LICs) are a type of investment product that allows investors to get certain exposure to ideally align their portfolio’s performance to a certain part of the market. For example total stock market index funds – in this case, rather than trying to ‘beat’ the stock market, you ARE the stock market.

In this article, we will explore just what is a stock market ETF, what is a LIC, why some investors love them and include them as part of their investment strategies.

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Exchange Traded Funds

An Exchange Traded fund is just a parcel of shares, you can think of them as a wrapper. What really matters, is whats inside the wrapper or basket. Just because something is an ETF, doesn’t automatically make it an index fund. Many ETFs track various indexes, and some track total stock market indexes such as the Standards and Poors indexes.

An example is the Vanguard Total Australian Market (ASX:VAS), which tracks the performance of the top 300 Australian shares according to the Standards & Poors Australian Stock Exchange (ASX) 300 Index. Another is the BetaShares A200 (ASX:A200) which tracks the top 200 Australian shares according to the Solactive Australia 200 Index.

Both of these two stock market index funds are types of ETF – Exchange Traded Funds. Think of them as parcels of shares – each share of VAS or A200 is actually a representative share of each of the hundreds of company that the fund owns. Lets use VAS as an example to learn more: VAS is comprised of the top 300 Australian companies by market capital, according to the S&P/ASX 300. When you buy a share of VAS, you are actually buying a small share in every company in the ASX300 – the below table lists the top 10 major companies owned by the fund which make up just over 43% of its total holdings.

1Commonwealth Bank of Australia
2BHP Group Ltd.
3Westpac Banking Corp.
4CSL Ltd.
5Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd.
6National Australia Bank Ltd.
7Telstra Corp. Ltd.
8Woolworths Group Ltd.
9Wesfarmers Ltd.
10Macquarie Group Ltd.

So by purchasing one share of VAS, in one trade you have accessed hundreds of companies and widely diversified your portfolio. So then what happens? Well if you hold the ETF long enough, as you might expect, the underlying shares will produce returns (both capital gains and dividends) just as if you had owned each of the individual shares directly. The fund collects the dividends on your behalf, automatically re-balances itself according to the S&P/ASX300 Index, and then pays you the dividend.

An ETF like VAS is an example of an ‘open ended’ fund. When you purchase a share of VAS, the fund creates and allocates you that share, and your money is pooled with other investors to purchase the underlying shares (in line with the current market indices) which are then added to the funds holdings. The share price of VAS will vary according to the variation of the share price of its constituents, or Net Asset Value (NAV), and in line with efficient market theory, it will always trade at a Price equal to its Value (share price = NAV).

Most ETFs have ultra low fees due to the simple, and mostly automated nature of managing the funds. For example VAS has a Management Expense Ratio (MER) of .1%, or 10 basis points – that is, to administer your portfolio, Vanguard will charge you a .1% management fee every year, or $10 for every $10,000 you have invested. Given an actively managed portfolio may have MERs of around 2-5%, you .1% is bugger all! In comparison, A200 offers an even lower MER of .07%, 7 basis points or $7 for every 10,000 invested, as they track the top 200 companies rather than the top 300 companies (the returns of which are mostly identical, but more on this later).

So in summary, an ETF is a parcel of shares which gives investors access to a diversified list of holdings at rock bottom prices. But that’s not the end of the story – what if I told you that you could have your cake and eat it it too: Enter, the Listed Investment Company.

Listed Investment Companies

A Listed Investment Company behaves similarly to an ETF, but it has one fundamental difference: it is a closed ended fund. That means there is a limited number of shares. To buy into LICs, it means you have to buy someone else’s share, or buy a new share the company has created if they are trying to raise capital. LICs vary immensely, and can range from small companies with only a handful of board members or employees, to the complete opposite of the spectrum. In this discussion I will limit our discussion to the former, as they tend to have the lowest fees and offer the best value for money.

The Australian Foundation Investment Company (ASX:AFI) is one of Australia’s oldest LICs. It offers a relatively low MER at .13% or 13 Basis points ($13 for every $10,000 invested) and is a fantastic value for money investment, producing consistently good returns for its shareholders.

Similarly to the ETF, the a LIC has a Net Asset Value (NAV) which is essentially the sum total of the funds holdings divided by the number of shares (this is an approximation as there is for example complications involving tax but lets use this definition for beginners). However being a closed ended fund, it is subject to market pricing. Depending on investor sentiment, the share price may rise or fall according to standard economic principles of supply and demand. This means a LIC can trade at a premium (in excess) or at a discount (below) its NAV.

Performance: So what are your expected returns – this all depends on the index you are tracking. The S&P/ASX300 ten year return has been approximately 9.5%, that is an annualized 9.5% return on investment. The index isn’t perfect however, and although it aims to track this index, it may fall short or even outperform it. Usually though, the drag caused by portfolio management will cause a small under-performance, usually fractions of a percent.

ETFs vs LICs

So Index funds – often purchased through LICs and ETFs these no frills investment strategies just aren’t all that profitable to those with their hands in the biscuit tin! Many brokers and financial planners would rather sell you actively managed funds which come with higher fee’s or management expense ratios and performance incentives, all of which erode the performance of your investment.

Even the Barefoot Investor himself made a LOAD of money selling the stock tipping website ‘The Barefoot Blueprint’ which gave paid barefoot investor subscribers tips on which hot stocks they should load up on. It is interesting that he also suggested investing in ‘Breakfree portfolio’ of stock market index fund ETFs as a smart investor strategy.

It’s not without its risks, however. It’s always worth remembering that an index is a representative share in a real world company. These could do great and expand, producing profits for shareholders, or they could go bust. But realistically by owning an index of hundreds of companies, the likelihood is not all will collapse simultaneously.

Also, by owning the index, you won’t have control over the assets in your portfolio – as ETFs and LICs are often weighted by market capital, and as a result large bank stocks can make up a high percentage of your portfolio. It has also been suggested that investors lose the ability to vote with their feet with regards to poor management or corruption in a company; investment in ETF is one on ‘autopilot’ and many investors are blind to goings on within those companies.

So which is better?

There is a fairly fierce ongoing debate in the FI (Financial Independence) community over which is better.

LICs have the ability to trade below their Net Asset Value – meaning you can pick them up at a discount sometimes. This is an attractive feature. LICs also are actively managed – which can be seen as both a pro or a con, depending on your personal investing attitude. Old school Aussie LICs try to optimise their investing for increasing dividends to outpace inflation, and pass these (often) fully franked dividends to shareholders as a tac effective growing passive income stream.

The transparent, extremely simple, basic and ultra low fee nature of index tracking ETFs is hard to pass up though. These funds still pass on big franking credits, but may not be as tax-effective as dividends can be ‘lumpy’ (they aren’t allowed to be retained to be smoothed over time – they must be paid out to ETF shareholders). By tracking the index, you also don’t get someone tampering with the portfolio and potentially stuffing it up. Long term performance also shows that the basic, low-cost index-tracking do ETFs outperform LICs in terms of total return, although the LICs tend to have more stable, smoother and higher dividend yields.

At the end of the day, I tried stock picking at the start of my investing career. It was kind of fun to start with, but the novelty wore off. On average my wins and losses got confusing and hard to track. After sussing it all out in Sharesight I worked out that I (like the majority of investors) underperformed a basic stock market index fund so I embraced being average and decided an index-style investing strategy was for me. I did this through both ETFs and LICs, and after learning a little more about LICs and investing in some over several years, I decided to stick with some of the most basic index fund ETFs available.

Summary

Stock market Index funds like some ETFs (or even old-school LICs) are a type of investment product that allows investors to get certain exposure to ideally align their portfolio’s performance to a certain part of the market. For example total stock market index funds – in this case, rather than trying to ‘beat’ the stock market, you ARE the stock market.

LICs are companies that typically actively manage their funds work as closed-ended funds which can trade at a discount or premium to their underlying asset values, and they can retain capital for dividend smoothing and tax-effective income. ETFs are typically passively managed index funds that use an open-ended trust structure that must distribute all dividends from underlying shares held. ETFs tend to outperform LICs in terms of total performance in the long term, but some people choose to invest in LICs because it can be a smoother ride and because of their active management or dividend focus

If you want to delve a little deeper into the field, check out Paul Rickard’s (former CEO of Commsec) explanation in the video below.

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FAQs

Can I get wealthy with index funds? ›

Index funds are a great investment for building wealth over the long-term. That's one reason they're popular with retirement investors.

Do rich people use ETFs? ›

An increasing number of seasoned and wealthy investors are increasing their exposure to ETFs, an asset class that has been typically associated with the young. There was a time when exchange traded funds were mainly utilised by young people seeking diversification, despite having limited sums to invest.

Can you build wealth with ETFs? ›

Vanguard S&P 500 ETF

Billionaires don't just buy individual stocks. ETFs can have excellent wealth-building potential over time, as well. Billionaire investors like Warren Buffett and others are often known for their stock-picking abilities, and for good reason.

Which is better LIC or ETF? ›

Due to their structure and management style, LICs tend to have higher fees than ETFs. While LIC fees are typically higher, their active management style and closed-end structure also afford investors certain benefits that open-end, passively managed funds may not otherwise provide, including: Purchase discounts.

What are the 4 index funds to retire a millionaire? ›

Getting down to business. You can build a powerful, global portfolio with these four Vanguard ETFs: Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF (NYSEMKT: VTI), Vanguard Total International Stock ETF (NASDAQ: VXUS), Vanguard Total Bond Market ETF (NASDAQ: BND), and Vanguard Total International Bond ETF (NASDAQ: BNDX).

Do index funds make a lot of money? ›

Small chance of big short-term gain: Index funds have minimal potential for achieving substantial short-term gains. Investors aiming for notable short-term profits will need to adjust their expectations or pursue other types of investments.

Can you become a millionaire from ETF? ›

Consistently investing in a single ETF is the easiest way to become a millionaire. If Warren Buffett could only make one investment, he said it would be an S&P 500 index fund. He particularly favors Vanguard funds, and his company, Berkshire Hathaway, owns the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (VOO 1.04%).

Can you make millions from ETF? ›

Even if this is the case, it's still possible to become a millionaire by investing in the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF. You'd have to increase the amount invested, the number of years invested, or both. The less obvious issue is inflation. A million dollars decades from now won't have the same buying power as it does today.

Why don't rich people invest in index funds? ›

One of the main reasons is that some investors believe they can outperform the market by actively selecting individual stocks or actively managed funds. While this is possible, it is not easy, and many studies have shown that the majority of active investors fail to beat the market consistently over the long term.

What ETF makes the most money? ›

100 Highest 5 Year ETF Returns
SymbolName5-Year Return
SPMOInvesco S&P 500® Momentum ETF17.88%
INCOColumbia India Consumer ETF17.64%
QTECFirst Trust NASDAQ-100 Technology Sector Index Fund17.49%
RWJInvesco S&P SmallCap 600 Revenue ETF17.47%
93 more rows

How do you actually make money from ETFs? ›

How do ETFs make money for investors?
  1. Interest distributions if the ETF invests in bonds.
  2. Dividend. + read full definition distributions if the ETF invests in stocks that pay dividends.
  3. Capital gains distributions if the ETF sells an investment. + read full definition for more than it paid.
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Which ETF has the best 10 year return? ›

Best ETFs 10 Years
SymbolETF Name10y Chg 7-22-24
XSDSPDR S&P Semiconductor ETF627%
METARoundhill Ball Metaverse ETF622%
VGTVanguard Information Technology ETF563%
IYWiShares US Technology ETF559%
17 more rows

Is it risky to invest in LIC? ›

LIC policies come with guaranteed returns, making them an attractive option for low-risk investors who appreciate the assurance of a minimum return on their investment. Additionally, the tax benefits associated with LIC policies enhance their appeal.

Are LICs a good investment? ›

LICs and LITs can help you diversify your portfolio across asset classes, sectors and geographies that otherwise could be difficult to access. For example, there are LICs & LITs that cover international shares, emerging markets, specific sectors, corporate bonds, government and semi-government bonds and commodities.

Which LIC policy is more profitable? ›

Best LIC Plan in India in 2024*
LIC PoliciesPolicy TypeMinimum Sum Assured (Rs.)
LIC Index PlusULIP7 - 10 times the annualized premium
LIC SIIPULIP7 - 10 times the annualized premium
LIC New Jeevan ShantiPensionNA
LIC Jeevan UtsavWhole-Life5 Lakhs
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Are index funds good for wealth creation? ›

Investing in index funds is a great way to generate high returns in a rising market. However, during a market downturn, some investors tend to look for alternative options. During a market downturn, index funds typically lose value.

How do index funds build wealth? ›

Index funds invest in the same assets using the same weights as the target index, typically stocks or bonds. If you're interested in the stocks of an economic sector or the whole market, you can find indexes that aim to gain returns that closely match the benchmark index you want to track.

Can you live off index funds? ›

Once you have $1 million in assets, you can look seriously at living entirely off the returns of a portfolio. After all, the S&P 500 alone averages 10% returns per year. Setting aside taxes and down-year investment portfolio management, a $1 million index fund could provide $100,000 annually.

What are 2 cons to investing in index funds? ›

While index funds do have benefits, they also have drawbacks to understand before investing.
  • Average market returns. ...
  • Costs to manage the index fund. ...
  • Investment minimums. ...
  • Possible tracking errors. ...
  • No downside protection. ...
  • No control over investment holdings.
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