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Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby jastevenson »
If you're making contributions to your investments (in my case, an after-tax account), are there any recommendations on the frequency of the contributions?
For example, is it better to invest:
$200/daily
$1000/weekly ($200 * 5 days)
$2000 biweekly
$4000 monthly
Can't seem to find hard info on this...
Thanks!
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- GoldenFinch
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby GoldenFinch »
I don't know. We invest bi-monthly in retirement (no choice there)), weekly in taxable and monthly in 529.
I think if you read all of the lump sum versus dollar cost averaging threads you'll see that lump summing, when you get the money, is more likely to be advantageous (time in the market vs. timing), but dollar cost averaging reduces risk of regret (slightly).
What is really important is that the money gets invested.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
I invest monthly (in my taxble account), usually during the last few days of the month. I've read that is "the best time", but I do it mostly because that is just a routine I started years ago. I'm not sure it makes much difference once your investments have grown large compared to your periodic contributions. Also, I use those monthly investments to help maintain my AA at the desired percentages.
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- YttriumNitrate
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby YttriumNitrate »
jastevenson wrote:If you're making contributions to your investments (in my case, an after-tax account), are there any recommendations on the frequency of the contributions?
This probably depends on A) any transaction fees associated with putting money into the investment, and B) the amount of automation in the transaction.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
I let some pile up then invest it on down day. Like yesterday I bought 38k of vtsax.
Also avoided the quarterly distribution and it's taxes. Invest every 1-2 months this way.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Long term, the market goes up.
The sooner you get in the market, the more growth you get.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
David Jay wrote:Long term, the market goes up.
The sooner you get in the market, the more growth you get.
Exactly so. In this case if you save up the $4000 over a month, then on average you are holding $2000 out of the market perpetually. If the expected return in your investments is 6% you are losing $120/year for the delay. If you actually have, say, $250,000 invested that $120 loss represents a drag on your portfolio of 0.05%. If your portfolio is smaller than that the issue becomes larger in relative terms. If there is no cost to invest you can make your own decision how frequently to do it, but as a practical matter monthly would seem fine.
A question though, how do you obtain daily income to invest? Most people get paid at most on a biweekly basis and more likely monthly.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
I don't think it matters, within reason.
Be careful not to start down the slope of market timing, by waiting for down days. Do something random, like the second Thursday and the second last Tuesday of each month, (or the 9th and the 22nd) and then forget about it.
Transaction costs and record keeping (paperwork) dictate that you sort of want to minimize transactions. Daily? Do you really want 200 250 transactions a year?
The similar question is often asked about rebalancing frequency. I look at that at least once a year when I am getting my tax records together. I also look when people start yelling that the sky is falling. There are many baroque schemes for rebalancing that come down to beliefs in momentum and reversion to the mean: They are market timing strategies. (I rebalance if I need to move more than about 2% of total assets around. Since we mostly own Vanguard LifeStrategy Moderate, which is a balanced fund in itself, this is not usually a big deal.)
L.
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- family_doc
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby family_doc »
I would place these transactions on autopilot, if possible. If these additions are able to be done automatically, so much the better. Just like automating as many financial transactions as possible is a good habit to aquire, imho. You are less likely to forget, procrastinate, make up excuses for not investing, etc. I believe that frequency of contributions, assuming that contributions are ongoing, is a small issue. If you do your own accounting/tracking via Quicken/Mint/Excel spreadsheet/etc. than less transactions are easier to input, if done manually.
with kindest regards,
family_doc
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
I still want to know how one has $200 available daily. If the question was should a person who gets $4000 in hand invest it now or dribble it in @$200/day, the answer is invest it all now.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
If you invested daily for, say, ten years you would have about 2,500 individual tax lots. Sounds like fun!
Gill
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Invest when you have the money, is what many investors say. In a taxable account, we invest monthly and quarterly, automatically. More frequently than that wouldn't be my preference.
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby ruralavalon »
Invest whenever you have money to invest, do this automatically each pay period if at all possible.
Make investing routine. Take the decision-making, guesswork, and emotion out of the process.
"Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein | Wiki article link: Bogleheads® investment philosophy
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
As soon as you have money; investment has a positive expected value (i.e., returns > 0%).
Thus, to maximize return, invest as much as you can as soon as you can.
If you get paid every 2 weeks and want to invest some of it, you will (on average) get a better return investing it as soon as you get it, vs waiting.
(So if you have $100 to invest, you'll make more on average by putting it all in at once than by investing it over 7 days. Or than by saving the $100 you want to invest from each paycheck for 6 months, and then investing all $1200 at once. Just invest it as soon as you get it.)
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- LiveSimple
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
Postby LiveSimple »
Gill wrote:If you invested daily for, say, ten years you would have about 2,500 individual tax lots. Sounds like fun!
Gill
Most of the fund companies can calculate the Capital Gains for you.
You can sell whatever portion you do want, the company will calculate the Capital Gains
Invest when you have the money, sell when you need the money, for real life expenses...
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Re: Frequency of contributions for best return: daily? weekly? monthly?
It is best to invest when you have the money, and set it up for automatic transactions so you don't forget.
$200/daily x5 x 52 = $52,000 ((assuming holiday transactions still occur the next business day))
$1000/weekly ($200 * 5 days) x52 = $52,000
$2000 biweekly x26 = $52,000
$4000 monthly x12 = $48,000 ((This is why biweekly mortgage payments get the loan paid off faster!))
As far as different tax lots, I let Vanguard and Fidelity's computers track that for me so it is not an issue. I agree a daily contribution seems a lot of transactions for a small amount. PIck the number and dates convenient for you.
lafder
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As an investment expert with a deep understanding of various strategies, let's delve into the concepts discussed in the article regarding the frequency of contributions for the best return. The participants in the forum are seeking advice on how often to contribute to their investments, considering different time intervals such as daily, weekly, biweekly, or monthly.
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Lump Sum vs. Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA):
- User GoldenFinch introduces the debate between lump sum investing and dollar-cost averaging. Lump sum investing involves investing a larger amount at once, taking advantage of time in the market. On the other hand, DCA spreads investments over time, reducing the risk of regret in case of market fluctuations.
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Routine and Timing:
- User Hop shares a personal routine of investing monthly during the last few days. This routine, although possibly influenced by external advice, emphasizes the importance of consistency in investment habits.
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Consideration of Transaction Fees and Automation:
- User YttriumNitrate highlights the relevance of transaction fees and the level of automation in investment decisions. Transaction costs can influence the optimal frequency of contributions.
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Market Timing and Down Days:
- User kingsnake mentions a strategy of letting funds accumulate and then investing on down days to potentially capitalize on market opportunities. This approach aligns with the idea of avoiding quarterly distributions and associated taxes.
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Long-Term Perspective:
- Users David Jay and dbr emphasize the long-term perspective, advocating for getting into the market as soon as possible to benefit from overall market growth.
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Practicality and Income Frequency:
- User Leeraar suggests that within reason, the frequency of contributions might not matter significantly. He advises against market timing and proposes a random schedule to minimize transactions.
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Automation for Consistency:
- User family_doc recommends placing transactions on autopilot for consistency, emphasizing the importance of automation in financial habits to avoid procrastination and ensure regular investments.
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Maximizing Return through Early Investment:
- User Morik emphasizes the positive expected value of investment and recommends investing as much as possible as soon as possible to maximize returns, aligning with the concept of time in the market.
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Tax Considerations and Capital Gains:
- Users Gill and LiveSimple discuss the potential complexity of managing multiple tax lots in the case of frequent contributions. They mention that fund companies can help calculate capital gains, mitigating this concern.
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Automatic Contributions for Routine:
- Users goingup, ruralavalon, and Lafder stress the importance of making investing a routine, suggesting automatic contributions whenever funds are available. This approach simplifies decision-making and minimizes the impact of emotions on investment choices.
In summary, the discussion encompasses various perspectives, considering factors such as market timing, transaction costs, tax implications, and the psychological aspect of routine and consistency in investment practices.