In brief
- Anthony Pompliano argued that popular DeFi apps could be shut down by Amazon Web Services.
- He debated the Ethereum network's level of decentralization and dependence on centralized web hosting services.
- Some pointed out that Amazon controls a small amount of Ethereum nodes, not enough to shut the network down.
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Discover SCENEPodcast host and crypto investor Anthony Pompliano debated today that much of the Ethereum network is hosted on third-party cloud services like Amazon Web Services (AWS), a cloud service operated by web giant Amazon. He argued that this means popular decentralized applications (dapps) on the network could theoretically be shut down if AWS were to be shut off.
Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum are—in their most basic form—mere pieces of software. They, like any website or web app, need to be hosted somewhere to operate properly. And while the Bitcoin network is relatively small—now 300 gigabytes—the Ethereum network is much larger and it's harder to host on equipment at home.
The debate began when Pompliano tweeted a reference to Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, “[He] could shut down most of these Ethereum-based “DeFi” apps by simply shutting off AWS. You’re not decentralized if you just spin up servers with Uncle Jeff!.”
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Jeff Bezos could shut down most of these Ethereum-based “DeFi” apps by simply shutting off AWS.
You’re not decentralized if you just spin up servers with Uncle Jeff!
— Pomp 🌪 (@APompliano) October 7, 2020
But “Pomp”—as Pompliano is called—didn’t see his dig last long. Journalist Camilla Russo, founder of The Defiant, responded to Pomp’s tweet shortly after, “Ethereum nodes could definitely be more decentralized. Still, facts don't support this argument.”
As Russo pointed out, data from Ethernodes shows that 70.5% of Ethereum nodes are running on hosted services, referring to cloud providers. This means that only 33% of these nodes are running on AWS. That means that 23% of the Ethereum network is on AWS—less than a quarter.
That's why Bezos could, for one, not pull a plug on the Ethereum network if he wanted to, suggested Russo.
But an unimpressed Pomp continued to traverse the tweet thread asking commenters (no less than three times) if they considered DeFi applications to be indeed decentralized.
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How many of DeFi projects do you think are actually decentralized right now?
Is it 100%? 50%?
Honest question.
— Pomp 🌪 (@APompliano) October 7, 2020
Bitcoin nodes use AWS too
Eric Vorhees, founder of crypto trading app ShapeShift, raised a similar argument for Bitcoin, “Most Bitcoin nodes also run on AWS. Because most servers of all kinds run on AWS.”
Vorhees’ argument, however, was shot down. Alex Thorn, an investor at blockchain venture firm Avon Ventures, noted that Bitcoin nodes were “much more distributed” on the network and seemingly run by home users, citing data from Bitnodes.
This is the best data I can find on Bitcoin. (https://t.co/NcEO8FBbXk)
May not be equivalent, but it’s clear that nodes are much more distributed on Bitcoin, and run much more at home by normal users, than nodes on Ethereum. pic.twitter.com/CX6TUrdpSG
— Alex Thorn (@intangiblecoins) October 8, 2020
Whether Ethereum is truly decentralized, it's clear that the tribalism between it and the Bitcoin community is ever present.
